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Entries in Pro Tools 10 (83)
As part of Exponential Audio testing programmes for their new Surround versions of PhoenixVerb and R2 that we announced exclusively on Podcast 86, they did a direct comparison between Pro Tools 10 and Pro Tools 11. Michael Carnes takes up the story….
Here’s what I measured: First, my machine is a 2009 Mac Pro, 8-core, 2.26 GHz. I’m running OSX 10.8.5. I tested with PT 10.3.7 and PT 11.0.2. I created sessions in which each track had a 1->5.1 plug-in or a 2->5.1 plug-in. I used a roughly equal mix of PhoenixVerb Surround and R2 Surround.
Pro Tools 10
I began with a buffer size of 512. I gave 85% of the CPU to PT in the Playback Engine setting. I believe this is fairly typical. I was able to create only 24 reverbs before I began to run out of CPU. When I increased the buffer size to 1024, I was able to create 42 reverbs. Nice improvement
Pro Tools 11
I got 72 reverbs with a buffer size of 512. There was very little change in performance when I raised the buffer size.
Perhaps one of the most underated and yet coolest small synth companies, TAL has released TAL-BassLine-101 v1.218 with AAX support in both Pro Tools 10 and 11.
- AAX support for Pro-Tools 10.3.6 or higher and Pro-Tools 11 added.
- Filter-FM for all waveforms as source added.
- Sequencer Insert, Delete, Length Global and Velocity Global added.
- MIDI automation can now record host automation.
- Keyfollow scale fixed for values > 0 and < 1.
- Better user interface performance while reading automation.
- More stable sequencer host-sync.
- Record sequence with MIDI and host sync fixed.
- Portamento Linear sample-rate bug fixed.
New Filter-FM features:
Choose a VCO waveform as source and add control the FM-intensity with the horizontal slider. Filter-FM modulates the filter cutoff with the source signal. Use a lot resonance and a low cutoff frequency to hear the effect.
If you are into dance or electro music then this is well worth a look with it’s very cool retro nod back to old Roland classic - we’ll do a review of it shortly, but this is one not to miss.
Mike takes the Penteo Pro 3 stereo to surround plug-in for a spin around his surround rig to see if it lives up to the claims of being completely downmix compatible. As we can only release videos with stereo audio everything you listen to is the downmix of the plug-ins surround output.
It is currently available in RTAS, VST or AU formats but they are working on an AAX version for Pro Tools 11.
Penteo 3 Pro is available for £675 plus VAT. If you would like to try it for yourself then you can request a free trial.
They have just announced Penteo 3 Touch - all the same functionality as Penteo 3 Pro, but with added multi-touch control that is included with the new Slate Raven MTX Surround console. Watch the video here.
In October, as part of our upcoming 5 year anniversary of the site, first as The AIR Users Blog and more recently as Pro Tools Expert, we would like you to be a part of our anniversary video.
Using your Web cam, smart phone, etc produce a 10 to 15 second video with you explaining what Pro Tools Expert means for you. Please make sure they look and sound as good as possible, and think about what you want to say so consider it a video tweet, short and succinct. We will then put as many as possible together into a community video.
Russ shows how to connect two Macs via ethernet and run two Pro Tools systems in sync without the need to spend money on software. In this video he locks a Mac Pro running Pro Tools 11 with a Mac Mini running Pro Tools 10.
With the support of iLok, here is another tip from the community. This comes from Jeremy Hart…
Hello All, A goodie for Windows users, I have created a .reg import file that puts another right click option on .ptx files that allows you to open them with either Pro Tools 10 or Pro Tools 11.
See the screenshots below.
Avid have just released Pro Tools 10.3.7 (Downloadable here) which includes the following bug fixes and improvements:
- The Pro Tools application icon has been modified to allow easier identification of Pro Tools 10.3.7 in a co-install configuration.
- Pro Tools 10 now has a Satellite protocol option that allows forward compatibility with Pro Tools 11.
NOTE: All systems in a Satellite configuration must use the same version of the Satellite protocol.
The admin system must be a Pro Tools 11 system.
- Avid Audio Engine performance has been improved for HDX, HD Native and HD Native Thunderbolt. (Mac OS X 10.8.4 or higher required).
- Session save times have been improved. (PTSW-185060)
- Destructive Punch now records properly after recording to the end of file. (PTSW-177550)
- Crashes associated with the use of RME HDSPe MADI, HDSP PCIe and UAD Apollo interfaces have been resolved. (PTSW-164626, PTSW-182520, PTSW-182588)
- Scroll wheel functions properly for a variety of numeric entry fields in Pro Tools: Video Offset, Preferences, Click/Countoff Options, Event Operations (PTSW-134626, PTSW-134632, PTSW-134634, PTSW-134636.)
- In the Bounce dialog, “Enforce Avid Compatibility’ has been changed to “Enforce Media Composer Compatibility” to better reflect the intended use of this option. (PTSW-181436)
Russ shows how 3 or 4 simple keyboard shortcuts can really speed up the song writing process in Pro Tools.
Avid France have produced this excellent interview in French (with subtitles) with Frédéric Dubois.
He talks about his work in sound for film post production on major features.
Check it out.
The very cool Pro Tools keyboard site has been updated with new features including;
- Pro Tools 10 and 11 support
- keyboard with a numeric keypad
In this video, Mike shows the different time compression & expansion algorithms available in Pro Tools 10 and Pro Tools 11 and shows how good the old Digidesign TC/E algorithm, that now isn’t available in Pro Tools 11, is for speech.
In this session learn about how using the 4 different edit modes can enable you to become a power editor in Pro Tools.
The session explains and demonstrates the best uses for using the Shuffle, Spot, Slip and Grid edit modes.
Serato have made no secret since the release of Pro Tools 10 that their Pitch n’Tome Pro plug-in was not compatible with Pro Tools 10. With the immenent release of Pro Tools 11 and theneed for AAX 64 bit plug-ins to work with PT11, some of the community have been in touch concerned about the future of Pitch n’ Time Pro from Serato. Chris Matthey for example says…
I’m sending you this this email to let you know about a problem concerning Serato Pitch n’ Time Pro, which is not compatible with PT10 and, by extension, PT11. PnTPro is a crucial tool in Drums editing for example and I think Serato is being really disrespectful to their customers who bought the license and who can’t use it anymore due to compatibility problems. I’m sure i’m not the only one who is upset with Serato. Thanks again Regards Chris
Although offically Pitch n’ Time is not supported for Pro Tools 10, it seems that it works for most people as long as you make sure the handles are set to 0, although some users have reported their Pro Tools won’t boot if the plug-in is present. On Serato’s forum there are a number of posts with a standard response…
We currently do not have a release of Pitch ‘n Time that supports Pro Tools 11, but we are working on a future release for Pro Tools 11 compatibility. Serato will continue to offer free technical support to owners of Pitch ‘n Time with currently supported software platforms (including Pro Tools versions 7 to Pro Tools 9).
However with a little more digging on their site, this…
Unfortunately Pro Tools 10 is not supported as we have not done thorough testing with this platform. It may work but we can’t guarantee there won’t be any bugs or issues. We are wanting to support this properly at some stage but I couldn’t say when this will happen sorry.
And another saying…
I’m afraid our official message about support in Pro Tools 10 that Scott entered above still stands at this point. We are planning to support Pitch ‘n Time in Pro Tools going forward, but we don’t have any announcements to make about this right now. Apologies for any inconvenience this has caused.
It does seem as if Serato are more interested in the DJ and consumer type products rather than actively supporting their professional product Pitch N Time, which has fans in both music and especially post production. We would like to get a sense of whether there is a real commercially viable response for Pitch n’ Time or whether it is only a few users who will miss this plug-in.
I personally do miss Pitch n’ Time, it was my ‘go to’ plug-in for pitch and tempo changing, but since Pro Tools 10 I have found it not very reliable and so tend to use X-Form these days but I would value having Pitch n’ Time back.
Do comment if you are concerned that you might loose Pitch n’ Time Pro or if you have already found a viable alternative for it. Please can we be ‘grown up’ about this and respect everyone including Serato.
A response to those who are struggling to use Elastic Audio in Pro Tools and finding audible artefacts in the sound. This shows how careful preparation fixes this issue.
With the recent announcement of Pro Tools 11 and our inevitable reporting, some users staying on legacy versions of Pro Tools may wonder what our intentions for future video, editorial and podcast content are.
The Pro Tools Expert team appreciate that some users either do not wish to upgrade to a new system or cannot afford to upgrade.
Rest assured, it is our intention to continue to offer advice and tips and tricks (including videos) and answer podcast questions for owners of legacy systems. NEW USERS PLEASE NOTE - this is an independent community site offering tips, tricks, tutorials and advice, for product support related to your purchase please speak to your dealer or Avid in the first instance.
Mike here - In addition to us here at Pro Tools Expert continuing to support legacy systems, it may surpise you but Avid do too. They will provide legacy software updates for 3 years and they will offer legacy hardware support for up to 5 years. So no one is forcing you to upgrade if you don’t want to. As I have said before “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. If your PT7 system is doing all you need it to do that is fine, if you are finding it no longer does what you need it to do then consider what system will do what you need.
Pro Tools 11 preview events are starting to take place around the world and Pro Tools Expert have obtained an exclusive shot of the new Pro Tools 11 playback engine dialogue window, which shows the extent of the changes to the audio engine from the user side.
On the left is the dialogue windows for the DAE playback engine from a copy of Pro Tools 10 for Mac and on the right the dialogue window for the AAE for Pro Tools 11. (click to enlarge)
Immediately one can see how simplified the dialogue has become with no more setting up with host processors, CPU% limits, delay compensation or even the plug-in streaming buffer. This would indicate that the new improved AAE is doing a lot of that work for the user. This is a welcome change as for many usrs setting this up was somewhat of a dark art. You can also see from the image that there is now a feature to enable or disable the video engine.
We look forward to Pro Tools 11 arrival soon.
When we discussed the issue of “Should Pro Tools Users Get Same Software Features As Pro Tools HD Users?” in Podcast 65 Neil came up with the idea of “In App” purchases following our conversation about Apple’s App business model. Surely this wouldn’t be that difficult as Avid have added the Marketplace menu into Pro Tools 10. This got me thinking, what the feature options might be…
- Instrument tracks 64 up to 128
- Surround to to 7.1
- Extended RAM/disk cache
- TrackPunch / DestructivePunch
- Input monitoring
- VCA mixing
- Solo bus AFL/PFL
- Advanced audio editing
- Advanced automation
- Advanced video editing
What do you think? Are there any other features? What prices would you put on each of these features?
I think it is safe to say this won’t happen for the Pro Tools 11 launch unless Avid decide to do a ‘hackathon’ session, but I suspect they are flat out getting Pro Tools 11 ready to launch so it is more likely to happen in a future upgrade if they decide it is a good idea.
Our recent discussion about Pro Tools HD features without buying the hardware had a great response.
We continued the discussion on the podcast and decided to run this poll. We’ve based it on the price of Steinberg Nuendo (around £1500) although you have to pay £300 extra to get the NEK (Nuendo Expansion Kit) for the more composer friendly Cubase features.
However we want to know how many Pro Tools users would pay £1500 to get all the HD features without the hardware. Please feel free to comment.